 |  143741 | Sep 14, 2004 10:58am | | Statix, I see and feel many different states within me. That which calls itself "I" is greatly affected by this body. When damage is done to the brain, the "I" changes; it can change in character and it can change in personality. Why does this not mean the "I" that is aware of all this will not cease to exist when this body ceases to exist. If the "I" that was not aware before this body, is not here after this body, then what is it that the "I" could be aware of that would survive this body? It is these kinds of questions that cause me to wonder where or what, if it exists, is the spirit? |
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Sponsor |  Statix | Sep 14, 2004 3:27pm | | These are absolutely legitimate questions, Dear FluidGuy. There are certain reasons one identifies himself with his body, he got convinced (real dirty trick) at some point in the past (long time ago) that he IS his body and that's when trouble started. Now the whole thing runs pretty much on automatic basis and is not something one aware of or is capable to control without rehabilitating knowledge and abilities of his own first. And that is another subject. One can still find what he thinks is the best part of his own personality, the most creative, rational and kind and that IS oneself. |
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| | | 143741 | Sep 14, 2004 4:05pm | | I have heard this idea of being identified with the body before. I am not quite sure I understand what it means, in that I do not know how else I might identify myself. I believe that I am made up of all aspects of my personality, and this personality was created over a period of time by the experiences this body has had with its environment. I am not in touch with anything else within my being. When I listen to what others have to say, it seems they are in touch with something they feel is beyond the body and/or mind. This is why I ask these questions. I am hoping to separate out the pieces within me to find what it is others can touch that I do not see or feel. |
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Sponsor | | Statix | Sep 14, 2004 5:47pm | I really do understand you. Ever heard about exteriorization? This is act of going out of body and even continue to exist and operate out of body while still having that body and using it rather like a recognition-for-others-label; so they will be able to see you, so to say. If one is stably exteriorized, he is not limited by his body and his viewpoint is not located where body's eyes are but normally above his body. It's kind a like a kid who plays with his toy-car as analogy. I believe, Gautama Siddharta (one who called "Budda") somewhat rehabilitated that ability of his. This is rather native state of one, which tells you how deep in a mud of materializm we are at this point of time. Human body is a spirit's shell and even more correct analogy would be a splinter in a spirit. The main problem of one is a gruesome amnesia, artificial inabilities and forced false concepts and goals. That is the main set of the real human illnesses. Any other negativity in a person and the whole civilization stems from the above-mentioned. You may check the following link to get more data that goes along with what I am talking about, on some essentials on the subject: scientology.org/html/opencms/cos/scientology/en_US/religion/ [scientology.org/html/opencms/cos/scientology/en_US/religion/]
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| | | 143741 | Sep 14, 2004 7:38pm | | I went to your web site and read the information. It sounds like another way of saying body/mind/spirit, it is just that thetan was used instead of spirit. I also understand out-of-body, or exteriorization as you put it. What I am seeing with what you say, and what I read at the site, is that it requires exteriorization to experience spirit. I do not see that this brings me any closer to my goal. |
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| | | 143741 | Sep 14, 2004 9:34pm | | Back to the drawing board. |
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| | | 152298 | Sep 15, 2004 11:52am | | I agree one is a spiritual being... |
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